look like there in hot water over this BOUNTY  stuff! if this is true hope they get smoked. theres talk that they , the def coordinator ,may be responsible for both payton mannings injury as well as farve taking a beating in the NFC championship game a few years back.

I agree that the coaches should loose jobs over this as they knew about it. The players involved should loose their jobs and pensions as well. It's BS that you put bounty out on guys and then even more on guys that are already hurt.

and after all those years you guys thought he was the best QB in the universe...............and talk about him that way now

You want to make the NFL a safer game? Ban everyone associated with these bounties from any involvement in the NFL and nail them to the wall with massive fines. Follow all of that up with criminal charges.

If Roger Goodell wants to make the game better now is the time to make a statement and lay down the law. Use the Saints to make a clear cut point to the rest of the league that intentionally injuring players for financial gain will not be tolerated. Ban people from the league for it and bury them in fines.

The news tonight said that criminal charges are expected against members of the Saints for their actions over this issue.

i am still a big favre fan i just didnt like it when he went to the vikings when he went to the jets it didnt bother me that much it was a the BS he tried pulling before going to the jets that bothered me the most. he is still one of the best QBs to ever play the game.

Ending Peyton Manning's career early by 2 or 3 seasons has to be worth over $10 million plus a million or so in legal fees and court costs. Throw in punitive damages for lost wages from endorsements and potential outside of football earnings and there goes another $20 million.

Then look at all the cash the Vikes franchise lost by losing the NFC title game due to Favre's injuries that were caused by bounties. The Saint's bounties put the Vikes out of the Superbowl which the Vikes may or may not have won. Just being able to play in that game would have brought the team huge sums of cash and likely would have gone long way on their stadium battle.

Not to mention how all of this is criminal activity by basically pay for hitmen to intentionally injury others and violate the rules of the game. Whats the difference between putting bounties on football players that require massive injuries to other players and ordinary folks putting bounties on some random individual for others to go cause that individual massive harm? Might as well go hire a group of thugs to rough up someone you don't like. Its basically the same thing.

i dont disagree with ya one bit, but then i see everyone looking at all the hits as a potential bounty hit!!!

If I'm getting paid 24 million to do a job that I can get hurt I'm fine with getting an injury. If I'm on that some job and someone pays someone to go after me and take me out of my job, you bet I'm going after them in court. Doesn't matter how much you make if someone is taking out a hit on you to loose the rest of your career then you every right to go after them. Everyone with knowledge of this in the Saints organization needs to go bye bye and should not be allowed in the NFL again. Plain and simple.

I hear what your saying and they do take the risk knowing there is one. Again though, this wasn't a hit that went wrong and someone got hit, this was someone going after them with intent to knock them out of the game and get bonus money for doing so. If you were the guy that hit Theisman and busted his leg you felt pretty bad but it was an accident. If you were that guy and was paid an incentive to do that, you should have legal action against you.

Example: I have a issue glenn57. Glenn gets hurt and can't work I make a ton more money. So I hire a few thugs to go hurt Glenn allowing me to make a ton of money. Glenn gets hurt can't work anymore ever, my thugs get arrested and they turn me in. I end up in jail and stay there for a long time.

Suddenly you place that situation in the NFL. Glenn's still hurt and out of work. But my thugs and myself are far from jail, we are all rich. No police involved.

By not involving the police in this situation you are asking for major trouble.

where the Saints went wrong was when the were warned about this they did not stop. This was set in place by a coach not a player it is done all the time by players but should never be done by coaches IMO.

i do not think they should go after a player and try to hurt him but you should go after that player and try to get in his head just like the Saints did to Farve Manning and Warner they were penelized and they did have to pay fines.

Glenn i respect your opinion on this story but i think you are way of base here. you going to a bar and getting in a fight is way different than one player hurting another. This is there job people get hurt all the time during games so how do you prove that the player got hurt because of a "bounty" or not. Once you get lawyers in valved you start down a very slippery slope one that the NFL and the player don't want to go down.

I am not a lawyer (but i did stay at a Holiday in express last night) but they would have to prove intent and i think that would be hard to prove.

I don't think intent would be hard to prove. "Did you except money for a bounty on Manning?" If the player answers yes, there's your intent.

IMO not all "bounties" are set up to hurt someone im sure there are occasions were it happens but i think most of them are for game changing plays like an INT fumble or a sack. Most of these players have too much respect for each other to want to hurt each other they know how hard it is to get to where they are.

The NFL is going to take a hardline stance on this issue as they should the Saints are in a bad way and they have alot of work to do to get their name out of the gutter because of this "bounty" thing.

I enjoy a good debate and it has been fun but i think we are chasing our tails with this one it been fun