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« on: May 10, 2011, 06:03:44 PM »
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Officials in a Twin Cities suburb said Tuesday they have reached an agreement with the Minnesota Vikings to lure the NFL team away from their longtime home in Minneapolis with a retractable-roof stadium built on a Superfund site.




The site of the stadium would be the former Twin Cities Army Ammunitions Plant property in Arden Hills, about 10 miles from the Metrodome in Minneapolis. The agreement calls for an $884 million stadium and an additional $173 million for on-site infrastructure, parking and environmental costs.

Ramsey County said the Vikings will commit $407 million to the project - 44 percent of the stadium costs and 39 percent of the overall costs. The county's share would be $350 million, to be financed by a half-cent sales tax increase.

Ramsey County Commissioner Tony Bennett, whose district includes the site, said in a news release that the proposed project would ''turn an environmental liability into an asset, clean up the largest Superfund site in the state, return property to the tax rolls, put people to work and provide for much-needed transportation infrastructure upgrades.''

The announcement comes one day after Minneapolis officials pitched a plan to keep the team downtown. It also came just hours after Gov. Mark Dayton said fixing up roads near the Arden Hills site would likely cost at least $175 million and up to $240 million if it includes restaurants, hotels and other amenities.


Still, Dayton said he could support either site as long as the state share doesn't exceed $300 million.

The Vikings have been pressing for a new stadium for years, but the team's push took on new urgency after the Metrodome's roof collapsed under the weight of a December snowstorm and as the team plays out the final season on its lease. It is one of four NFL franchises thought to be possibilities to relocate to the vacant Los Angeles market.

The stadium discussion had been largely put off at the Capitol as legislators struggle to resolve a $5 billion state deficit. It picked up speed last week, with Dayton saying he had met privately with owners Zygi and Mark Wilf and he was ready to sign a stadium bill.

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« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2011, 07:15:19 PM »
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Good to hear some progress on this issue finally. This would be a good thing if it all goes through. Though the downtown business' are going to suffer if they move.
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« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2011, 08:13:54 PM »
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I could really give a rip if they play or not. This state can't afford to be spending money on another losing proposition called a pro sports team.
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« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2011, 08:24:04 PM »
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I would argue this state can't afford to loose the revenue of this pro sports team.
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« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2011, 09:03:13 PM »
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At least the Vikes are putting 45% into the deal, and the economy needs some kind of a boost.  New roads and the new stadium, plus there will be more hotels are restaurants built out there.  That is one heck of a large area that is just sitting and cannot be developed for homes of any kind.  So go for it.  Lots of wildlife will be displaced, but there is lots of room around for them to go to. 
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« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2011, 10:31:58 PM »
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I support the stadium but I just do not want to see the state general fund pay for it. The state is facing a $5 billion deficit. We can not fit the nearly $300 million for this.

Now if they were to use proceeds from a gambling venue or state gambling license to fund the state's portion, I would say go for it.

 
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« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2011, 08:42:06 AM »
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I would argue this state can't afford to loose the revenue of this pro sports team.

I don't know any more.  How long will it take to recoup the money just to build this thing?  There are a ton of costs associated with just the building itself as well as the cost for even having a game there.  Then what will happen with the existing stadium they just "HAD" to have?  Who eats those expenses?

Personally I feel that we bit the bullet once and if the players don't like it then they should be paying the entire bill for a new one. I for one will never attend a game but yet will end up helping to fund it.  These cry babies make a HELL of a lot of money to go to "work".   They are business owners but yet we buy them, and pay them, to operate their business.   If a truck driver needs a new truck he can either make the old one work or if HE chooses he buys a new one with money out of his pocket. 

A big part of me says even first class one way plane tickets would have been much cheaper.   
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« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2011, 08:49:09 AM »
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I believe the Queens would serve themselves and all of us by heading to LA. Then St. Louis can come into the NFL North Division.

That way all you let down Queens fans (for over 40 years)  icon_salut can now become fans of a real team...... 

director World Champions GREEN BAY PACKERS!!!!  hello2 hahhahahaa!!!!

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« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2011, 09:00:01 AM »
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hey ratso, they let you talk that way up in bemidji???? and not get hurt?? laughing4 laughing4 laughing4 laughing4 pottytrain2

i understand the concern about its overall costs, but i believe the vikes are an asset to the state. they do bring a lot of money into the economy. dont get me wrong here i am not to excited about having to help pay for this stadium. like scenic said, a bunch of overpaid babies and rich owners should pay for it, but at the end of the day i think it would be a wise investment. look at ALL  the jobs this would create.

my big beef about this whole thing is, every other pro sports team has got a new play ground in the past what, 10 years here, why not the vikes. most notably the gophers and twins and there wasnt near the beef about those stadiums as with this one.

hell, get that casino built down on block E and have that help finance, or allow the bars to have some form of gamblin!
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« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2011, 09:09:39 AM »
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Glenn.....Last I checked this is a brave  free country, right! Just mess'in wit you. violent1 But maybe the reason the Queens have not gotten a new stadium is......They Choke on the Big One?!?! If they'd won the SB in 2009; this would already be a done deal, right?
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« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2011, 09:12:59 AM »
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just ribbin you to! wont even hold it against ya your a packer fan1 OK? FAIR ENOUGH? laughing4 laughing4 laughing4 laughing4 not so sure about if they had won it all in 09 it would be done. sure would of helped.
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« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2011, 09:17:43 AM »
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Just for discussion..how many jobs will it create?  Jobs for construction we know that but then what?  Do they not already have those jobs and people filling them?  Or do they get rid of those already working and replace them at the new location?  

Yep open that State Owned Casino right down town and now you are talking some "new" jobs.  
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« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2011, 09:20:30 AM »
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now how am i suppose to know that? icon_scratch dontknow and not really in regards to your ? about already have those jobs and people filling them. where they workin now then?
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« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2011, 09:23:48 AM »
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Do they or did they not work for/at the metro dome?  I mean it obviously took people to run that as well.  What happens to those jobs?
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« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2011, 09:25:58 AM »
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my guess is they'd trnasfer to the new stadium, but the new jobs would be all the people invlved in puttin up the new stadium!
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If the Queens want a stadium go stand on a street corner and hold a tin cup out for donations. Why does the taxpayers of this state need to pay for everything related to sports venues? Especially when 95% of the residents won't even venture there. Why are they putting on a roof on the Rollerdome? Just to tear it down to build another stadium on site? What? Where is the common sense and thought process before erecting a new roof?

Now we have to hurry up and make roads better for the new Arden Hills location? Looks like Wilf should start a construction company. Maybe he could hire a broken down OLD QB to become foreman.
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« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2011, 09:38:13 AM »
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 I agree but that is a temporary job.  I don't even know if they have chosen who is building it yet. But will that firm bring most of their own people in?

 But yes that is better than no job but everyone keeps jumping up and down about how many jobs this new stadium will create.  Sorry but they need a better salesman because I am not buying it.

We are talking $884 million for the building and another $173 million for the infrastructure.  Sorry but in my book that is one hell of alot of money to spend on the private sector.  I just don't see how the state or the people can ever figure that much will be generated in return.  None of these costs for the years of service include general up keep to this $884 million project.
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« Reply #17 on: May 11, 2011, 09:42:44 AM »
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But in the same time, the taxpayers are paying for a former government piece of land that needs cleaning up and getting nothing in return.  Nobody else wants to develop that land because of the contamination from the arms plant.  This way, it would get  cleaned up, developed, the run down buildings would be gone and the land put to use.  As of now, everything is an eyesore.
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What happens when they find out it will cost triple what was estimated to clean the Superfund site?

This stadium issue is no different than that building sitting on Lake Bemidji (someones agenda)! How many out a state companies will be working on this 'new" stadium? I still say if Ziggy wants this, go build it yourself!!!!
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« Reply #19 on: May 11, 2011, 09:50:08 AM »
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But in the same time, the taxpayers are paying for a former government piece of land that needs cleaning up and getting nothing in return.  Nobody else wants to develop that land because of the contamination from the arms plant.  This way, it would get  cleaned up, developed, the run down buildings would be gone and the land put to use.  As of now, everything is an eyesore.

Either way we end up paying for it.  But now it can be better justified because it is for a sporting event.  Wonder why nobody could find the money to do this for say a new school, a new manufacturing business or someplace like that?

Yes that over sized Hockey Rink that Bemidji has is a pretty good example.  All these new jobs coming to town.  Where?  And to think it is way in the red last I heard.
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« Reply #20 on: May 11, 2011, 09:51:59 AM »
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Jobs? New Jobs? What Jobs?
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« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2011, 09:56:22 AM »
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21,000 parking spots in Arden Hills. Charge $100 per stall in a little over 1000 events there Ziggy could have it all paid for.
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« Reply #22 on: May 11, 2011, 10:58:20 AM »
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The problem with those saying "let them leave", is that then there will be clamoring for another team, like when the North Stars left.  Now you have a vacant Metrodome, with no team, and then the "new" team or transplated team will want their own stadium like happened with the Wild.  
There are other events that can take place in either venue.  Rock concerts draw lots of money, and nobody says anything about them.  They can get up to $1000.00 for front row seating.  That's just plain crazy.  
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« Reply #23 on: May 11, 2011, 11:03:03 AM »
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Right Tom. Don't forget the "team" uses the stadium 10 days a year unless they make the playoffs and then it would be 12 days.

Rest of the time you have truck pulls, concerts, home shows, etc. Lets not forget that you would stand a chance of a Super Bowl here, had one in the past, and the NCAA back again. That's big revenue for the state. I think paying 45% for 12 days of use is decent.

It would be nice if they would flip the bill themselves but that's not how it works anywhere. I would much rather have my tax money going for this than all the arts and other junk that we throw tax payer money at that makes no money and brings in no revenue.
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So having a team AND a vacant Metrodome that will still be maintained is going to make this better or more sense?  As for other uses I am all for it.   Then do it.  Do it to the point they generate enough money to pay for the new one BEFORE it is built.  Make a believer out of us who are paying for this thing.

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From what I have read that it only for the building.  How are the streets in your area?  Like most full of pot holes and not getting repaired fast enough because there is no money?  But now there is the "magic" money coming from where???  
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« Reply #25 on: May 11, 2011, 11:49:35 AM »
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Either way the dome becomes a stadium without a team. Either way the Vikes move to a new city or a new facility.

I just refuse to allow the tax payers to fund this. Build the Block E casino, build a state run casino across from MOA, allow gambling at Canterbury and Running Aces. That will create tons of jobs and make piles of money. Use the profits from that to fund the new stadium. That would create a long term revenue stream for the state so the tax payers don't have to deal with stadium funding in a time of mass deficit.

The state has a deficit. Please tell me where the state money is going to come from to pay for this. Cut roads? Schools? Social Services? Natural Resources? Raise taxes on all of us poor folk who will never go to a game?

Where is the money coming from? Whose pocket is it coming from? The economy is in the crapper none of us can afford to pay for this when it will benefit so few of us.


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Jeff just hit it on the head.  We don't have the money.  Street and bridge repairs rank way higher than any sports team.  Last I checked, we already have 4 professional sports teams and I see that their presence has eliminated all budget problems.

The new stadium is not really a matter of revenue.  Its about what is wanted.  A lot of Minnesotan's, especially those from the Twin Cities area, want the Vikings to stay.  I agree with Shane that the only way to keep them in Minnesota is for public money to pay for part of it.  It sucks, but if we don't, someone else will.  

For me, being a Packer fan has nothing to do with it.  If the state wasn't in such a financial mess, I'd say go for it.  Unfortunately now, I think that spending that kind of money on something that is a want and not a need is foolish.  The Metrodome sucks.  It is a very poor place to attend a game of any type.  I just think we have a lot of financial issues that need to be fixed before taking on spending like this.  Don't tell us there's no money for other things and then go spend hundreds of millions of dollars to build a stadium.
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I would much rather have my tax money going for this than all the arts and other junk that we throw tax payer money at that makes no money and brings in no revenue.

We've thrown plenty of $$$$$$$$$$$$$ at Sporting venues. Minnesota Gofers, Timberwolves, Wild and Twinkees When does it stop? The State of MN is in a crisis. A stadium is not a need. Its a want for some rich sum bit**. Take your team and go. I have no problem ZIGGY paying for it.


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I am a Vikes fan and would hate to see them leave. But I completely agree with Driftwood and Ratso. We don't have the money for this at this time. If it means the team leaves oh well.

One problem I have with the government in this country is the lack of fiscal responsibility. Everyone in the government is out there trying to spend money that isn't there. It deals to massive deficits like our national debt.

Where does that stop?

Lets be fiscally responsible here and not use public money for this unless we find a new source of state revenue to cover it.
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I look at the Twins having brought two World Series wins to the state and then look at all the other blown chances by ALL of Minnesota's professional sports to win the big one in each of their respective areas and say HUH. Minnesota is nothing but duds. Show the people of this state some championships and not divisional or regional......THE championship. And then lets see some mid-season free games for Minnesota residents who are being taxed for these stadiums. I don't mind paying taxes to fix roads and support education. I do mind paying taxes and watch as those tax dollars go in the wallet of a legislator or towards something as wasteful as a new stadium and then have to pay a fortune for a cheap seat in one.

If our lawmakers can find a way to make this money available for a stadium, they should be told to find a better use for it. Period.
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